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- From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
- Newsgroups: rec.nude,news.answers
- Subject: REC.NUDE Frequently Asked Questions, Part I of II
- Summary: Questions (and their answers) frequently asked on REC.NUDE.
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- Frequently Asked Questions on REC.NUDE, part I of II
- 1. What is REC.NUDE?
- 2. What does CO, thong, etc. mean?
- 3. Why nude recreation?
- 3A. But isn't it illegal?
- 3b. Isn't nudity sinful?
- 4. Won't I offend someone?
- 5. What is the difference between a naturist and a nudist?
- 6. What if I (a male) get an erection?
- 7. But doesn't nudity equate with sexuality?
- 8. Does one go naked all the time?
- 9. I just had surgery and have a scar. What will people think?
- 10. Where can I find a CO beach/resort near me?
- 11. What should I take with me when I visit a nude beach or resort?
- 12. I would like to participate in REC.NUDE, but am afraid to post.
- Is there is an anonymous posting service?
- ==============================================================================
- 1. What is REC.NUDE?
- From the REC.NUDE charter:
- "REC.NUDE serves as a medium for exchange of views, news, philosophies,
- and ideologies relating to the nudist and naturist lifestyles.
-
- Here you will find discussions of locations to enjoy nature naturally,
- notifications of legal proceedings affecting nudists/naturists, notices
- of gatherings and trips, and spirited discourse on issues relating
- (most times) to nudism."
-
- REC.NUDE is NOT a place to pick up someone. Harassing/threatening mail or
- posts are NOT desired or condoned. See question 7 (and its answer).
- Flames may be directed to ALT.DEV.NULL.
-
- General cross-posting of messages in NOT encouraged, especially not with
- the various alt.sex newsgroups. Threads get confused and the discussion
- quickly gets "off track".
-
- 2. What does CO, thong, etc. mean?
- ASA - American Sunbathing Association.
- Bulletin, The - ASA's publication.
- Canuding - canoeing in the nude.
- CCBN - Central Council for British Naturism.
- CO - Clothing-Optional.
- + ESA - Eastern Sunbathing Association, ASA eastern region
- + FANR - Florida Association for Nude Recreation, ASA Florida Region
- FCN - Federation of Canadian Naturists.
- IMO/IMHO - In My (Humble/Honest) Opinion
- INF - International Federation of Naturists.
- N - Nude & Natural magazine, published by The Naturist Society.
- NAC - Naturist Action Committee.
- | Naturist - not to be confused with NATURALIST. see question 5.
- NIFOC - Nude In Front Of Computer.
- Ob[xxx] (e.g. ObNude, ObBeer) - Introduces an on-topic statement following
- an off-topic statement. "Ob" comes from
- the word "Obligatory".
- Thong - in this newsgroup refers to G-String style swimwear.
- TNS - The Naturist Society.
- Top-free - naturist preferred term for what is commonly referred to as
- topless (topless has gained undesirable connotations from
- association with strip bars).
- + WSA - Western Sunbathing Association, ASA western region
- +
- + NOTE: nudists do no live in COLONIES -- that is an antiquated term that
- + should not be used.
-
- 3. Why nude recreation?
- Some would retort, "Why not nude recreation?" A more informative answer
- would point out that most naturists wear dress only when appropriate.
-
- If it's 20 degrees and a blizzard outside, wearing clothes makes quite
- a bit of sense! Conversely, it makes little sense to go to the beach
- to "take the sun" and then cover some of the body with itty-bitty little
- strips of synthetic (or even natural) cloth.
-
- The feeling of the sun, wind, and water on your body brings you closer
- to the surroundings around you. Not having to worry about sand and salt
- in clothing adds to your recreation (of course, wise use of sunscreens
- still applies here, as much as on a clothed beach).
-
- When you add to this the growing body of knowledge from researchers and
- sportswear industry leaders that dysfunctional dress - too tight or skimpy
- swimwear - is damaging to health, it becomes clear that nude recreation
- is the logical choice in many situations...
-
- 3A. But isn't it illegal?
- ...even with all this evidence, it boggles the mind as to why many laws
- exist on the books to this day which mandate the use of bathing costumes;
- even laws which do not apply to nude recreation are being mis-applied
- to innocent skinny dipping or sunbathing.
-
- Although there are no U.S. Federal laws prohibiting nude recreation on
- Federal lands except at Cape Cod, concurrent jurisdiction became the catch
- phrase in the early 1980s, allowing state and local laws to be enforced by
- park rangers, Bureau of Land Management officers, and the like. This
- insidious encroachment onto Federal turf raises Constitutional questions
- and allows state and local jurisdictions to limit or eliminate altogether
- many traditional sites suitable for clothing-optional recreation.
-
- Western Europe is generally more tolerant, especially of top-free bathing.
- Areas in public parks are specifically set aside for the purpose of CO
- recreation.
-
- In light of all this, you've got to believe that naturism has much to
- offer if its participants brave legal and physical barriers to partake.
- Try it, you'll like it!
-
- 3b. Isn't nudity sinful?
- Plenty of naturists find no contradiction with their religious beliefs,
- Christian or otherwise -- in the US, The Naturist Society has a Special
- Interest Group called "All-Together Christians". The perceived danger
- is that it leads the weak to sexual temptation. Naturists just want
- Puritanical evangelists to not make judgements that affect their lifestyle.
-
- 4. Won't I offend someone?
- "Offense"...the age old question (intent v. action).
-
- Offense is in the mind of the beholder, true. But, legal questions turn
- on intent; actions by themselves do not imply that offense will
- automatically follow.
-
- If a man intentionally exposes himself to the proverbial little old lady,
- there is clear intent to do harm; the man knew that he would elicit a
- negative response from the little old lady and intended to do so by his
- actions.
-
- However, if a group of people are skinny dipping and have demonstrated a
- concern for others by either trekking to a remote area or using a tradi-
- tional or designated (managed) area, then there is clearly no intent to do
- harm.
-
- This is why naturists continue to press for management rather than
- banishment; naturists would get the same treatment as other taxpayers
- and complainers need no longer complain.
-
- 5. What is the difference between a naturist and a nudist?
- Some people will tell you nothing. Some people will spell out the
- difference in great detail. There is little difference in the two terms
- as espoused by the American Sunbathing Association and The Naturist
- Society, the U.S.'s two largest CO organizations. Americans have been
- arguing the point since at least the 1930s, while Europeans seem to have
- little problem using the terms interchangeably. Most "naturists" feel a
- closeness with the outdoors and are sometimes termed "beach people". Most
- "nudists" tend to participate in social nudity via resorts, camps, and
- other similar settings, and they tend to practice social nudity for its
- own sake. "Naturists" tend to be more active in their pursuit making sure
- that clothing-optional recreation is always available.
-
- NOTE: Some naturists/nudists do not participate in social nudity, and
- some do not have or desire to have any "political" associations with
- organized naturist/nudist groups. Some people who espouse naturist/nudist
- philosophy don't like the labels.
-
- NOTE: Not everyone who goes to a "nude beach" or "nudist resort" espouses
- nudist/naturist philosopy or ideals -- just as sitting in a hen house
- doesn't necessarily make you a chicken, sitting on a nude beach does not
- make one a nudist.
-
- 6. What if I (a male) get an erection?
- Most males get erections. Now for the news: these natural occurrences in
- most cases are periodic and predictable. Erections occur periodically
- during sleep and as the result of internal stimuli (slam a cup of coffee
- and wait...).
-
- They also occur naturally as the result of external stimuli meeting
- particular notions of sexuality. Since each male has different criteria
- for being aroused, it is difficult to assert that this erection was caused
- by that stimulus.
-
- This problem occurs far less frequently you might think. Nude recreation
- is just not that much of a sexual situation for most participants.
-
- As in any social setting, the Golden Rule applies. If you get an erection
- at a nude beach or other social nude setting, you and the group you are
- with are the best judges as to whether or not it is appropriate. Naturists
- generally yield a bit of elbow room to avoid making you feel uncomfortable;
- you should use your judgement to avoid making them feel uncomfortable. If
- necessary, take a swim or roll over for a short while. In any case, just
- use common sense and be considerate.
-
- 7. But doesn't nudity equate with sexuality?
- This hot potato receives much discussion. Many naturists believe that the
- connection arises artificially in a society where many people see the
- opposite sex nude only in sexual situations. Suffice it to say that the
- practice of naturism and the pursuit of naturist values and philosophy
- allows one to place sexuality into its natural perspective.
-
- 8. Does one go naked all the time?
- No. That's why the term "clothing-optional" exists. Clothing has its
- purposes - warmth and protection. Many naturists feel more comfortable
- wearing some clothing while participating in active sports and there are
- some activities that require one to wear protective clothing while par-
- ticipating in them. But many activities - swimming, especially - can be
- much more comfortable and enjoyable without the confinement of clothing.
-
- NOTE: As stated earlier, wise use of sunscreens is advocated, as is the
- use of hats, and yes, even T-Shirts to shade/cover yourself to keep from
- getting too much sun.
-
- 9. I just had surgery and have a scar. What will people think?
- Naturists preach body acceptance. Being nude means having nothing to hide.
- There is no perfect body and naturists come in ALL shapes, sizes, ages, and
- | colors. Some have scars from surgery, some use wheel-chairs, some are
- | overweight, some are too thin, some have tatoos and other body adornments,
- | and some are "handicapped" by being "normal" :-).
-
- 10. Where can I find a CO beach/resort near me?
- | This question is always welcome in REC.NUDE. Richard Mathews' Beach
- | FAQs and Part II of this FAQ give some directions and some sources for
- finding out some of this information, but the readers of REC.NUDE are
- generally pretty willing to give the latest information, also. Remember,
- when writing to a naturist/nudist club/resort for information, enclose
- enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope for the reply.
-
- 11. What should I take with me when I visit a nude beach or resort?
- Take a wide-brim hat, sunscreen, two towels (one to sit on), sandals,
- sunglasses, and water to drink. It is also a good idea to have something
- to read, something to eat and something to play with (like a volleyball or
- frisbee or your tennis racquet).
-
- 12. I would like to participate in REC.NUDE, but am afraid to post. Is there
- an anonymous posting service?
- Yes and no. Most REC.NUDE participants feel that a full anonymous posting
- service is not needed and would cause more problems than it is worth.
- There is nothing wrong with nude recreation and one should not be afraid
- to post to REC.NUDE.
-
- That being said, there is the fact that some people are close-minded and
- some people may be hassled for posting here -- some may lose jobs. To
- allow these people to post messages, the following people have volunteered
- to accept e-mail and repost the messages to REC.NUDE. All the "couriers"
- reserve the right to edit and/or reject postings they deem inappropriate.
-
- Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
- middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton )
- arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
- steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
- ===============================================================================
- This information is a compilation of the FAQ that existed before I took over,
- material gleaned from nudist/naturist publications and of course, mail and
- postings from REC.NUDE.
-
- Corrections, additions, postive comments/critisisms and updates should be
- addressed to:
-
- steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us
-
- See also the periodic postings concerning organized naturist and nudist groups
- and other information. These will usually go out monthly at the middle of the
- month and are set to expire when the next batch is due out.
-
- Relax and enjoy, naturally!
- --
- ======================================================================
- Steve Pierce Palm Bay
- steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us Florida
- Space Coast Naturists, PO Box 560086, Rockledge, FL 32956-0086
-